About disc brakes ISO/POST/FLAT

Hi. Maybe we could discuss here about brakes. Maybe about general designs so I change the tittle ?

Let’s start.
I have disc brakes frames and forks to build.

Is it a good idea to go for ISO tab and is/post adaptor ?
It would save time and money.
Is there a good reason for not going with ISO tabs ?

I made flat’s and even if everything went well I am not confortable with the cut through stays and forkblades. I think it can cause the stay/forkblade to bend when we often strive for symetry. Plus I believe it weaken the stay/forkblade.

Thanks for the help!

Also. How to choose the thichness of the tab ?

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If you have flat mount calipers, you need flat mounts on the frame, I don’t think there is any way to adapt a post or ISO mount for a flat caliper.

Agree holes through the CS or fork are not desirable. For post mount, I buy extended cast dropouts that have the posts on them. These are also available for flat mount (although the last time I modified my post mount ones because they were what I had). For the fork I brazed a flat bit of metal onto the fork to make a flat mount, rather than drilling through it.

I don’t know how thick an ISO tab should be but would guess about 3mm.

both ISO to flat and post to flat adapters exist and are easy enough to come buy. a quick google of either will yield a handful of options.

I’ve built a couple of bikes that used ISO-flat adapters and thought hey worked really well, and facilitated a convenient standard for steel handmade bikes staying useful with modern parts.

I have made tabs 4,4.5,5,and 5.5mm thick depending of a few things, but this Shimano document specifies 7mm+/- 0.1mm.

5.5mm has personally never caused me any problems, and is a thickness I like for cutting out the entire tab-and-dropout in one piece, just be thoughtful about bolt lengths.

p.s. you can also solder a little 1.5mm stainless waster onto the 5.5mm plate to save the paint under the bolt head and bump the thickness if you really want to be ‘on spec’.

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As patrick above says. ISO is the easiest path in steel and can be made from scratch at home with standard tools. I did like to use the front flat mount adapter in the rear for the reasons you mentioned. Though, tbh I don’t see many if any failures posted about chopping into the stays. I am now using the potential UBM mounting system on all my bikes and even if it doesn’t become a mainstream thing I am going to stay with it.

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Thank’s all.

The hidden question was. Does it make sense to build a custom frame with ISO TAB and post adaptor in 2025. I realise I wasn’t clear.

Plus. What is your thinking about the two separate parts ISO tab ?

@DEVLINCC Do you make your own UBM mount or is it available somewhere ?

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Yeah, I think iso with post adapter is still relevant and doing it in two parts works. It’s just fiddly. The UBM is custom. There are no specs for it other than SRAMs patent put out recently.

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I have only built a couple bikes but I used IS tabs for each (5mm thick). I like IS a lot for steel because if you are using round dropouts, it’s dead simple to design a cheap tab that self-fixtures. No need for a special jig and also, no threaded holes in your frame. Both of mine went together easily and have held up to a fair bit of abuse. Adapters are cheap and widely available as well.

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Hey, I like ISO mounts for the simplicity, but I have never seen one that would look beautiful to me - this one does.

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yes I believe so, but I also believe the best standard is the one that works the best for the situation, and your situation may differ (in fact, it should, thats kind of the point)…

for me, for cx/bikepacking/touring/booze-cruising/whatever bikes, they tend to stick around for a while and tend to iterate through a few builds/styles over time,( including after I replace them), so having the option to simply bolt on an adaptor to fit any brake calliper is a real win. I also build them 135X10 QR rear end, because i’m yet to see a good reason not to; it makes the fabrication and use of the dropouts and the mounts super easy forever, and its a vibe I like, (don’t forget we’re talking about custom bikes here).

sure, I might put mechanical sram red 10s with post mount road pull bb7’s on my new bike, because i’m a curmudgeon, but the next person that wants to ride it probably doesn’t want that, maybe they want the WZRD Shimano road lever, xt calliper special, or maybe they want a flat mount hydro red group with batteries. maybe they want to put 180’s on it, maybe 200’s?. they might want a flat bar and a rack or an ENO hub fixie, maybe ill want that? the ISO tab doesn’t care, and for this situation, I think thats ideal (ok the Eno hub maybe a bit of pfaff but you know what I mean) .

also, threads in replaceable parts is generally good practice, so i like that too (especially for how we treat CX race bikes) ; its pretty hard to wear out or strip an ISO tab hole…

from a pragmatic standpoint I don’t really see a great reason for me to not use a single piece dropout ( for example, like the paragon low mount offering ) in a bike like this, self fixturing per-se, as mentioned above (or just integrated into the dropout and cut as one part) , and minimum fabrication time, puts the brake inside the rear triangle where I like it, and so on and so forth, but I wouldn’t say there’s anything inherently wrong with using a multi-part design, provided its well though out, and well executed.

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I’ve built frames and forks with IS, post mount and flat mount brakes. IS is the simplest on a steel frame and is still commonly used. I’m regularly asked to build IS forks. Post mount is not something I’m often asked for; I’ve only put post on specialty MTB frames and forks. For road and gravel, it seems the cycling world is quickly moving to flat mount.

Since I also sell a brake boss fixture to framebuilders, I have records on what configurations are being ordered. I sell about equal numbers of IS and flat mount. Post mount lags the other two by quite a bit, but it’s still ordered.

This is just my opinion based on my own experience and sales records.

Alex
alexmeadetools.com

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Thanks ! I’ll go for ISO tab as I wanted to then !

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