Adventures in tube mitering

After a number of run of the mill diamond frames I needed to build something different. Years ago I saw a line drawing of a Dursley Pedersen in the Archibald Sharp book -Bicycles and Tricycles. (Great book BTW, well worth a read if for no other reason than to show how many ideas are not really new, they were just waiting for more modern tools materials to come along and make them practical.)

Pedersen was the designer and patented it in the early 1890s. Dursley is the city in England where most were built, generally between the late 1890s and WW1. The theory behind the design is that all loads are resolved in tension and compression, there is no bending moment. These are still produced in small numbers by a couple of builders in Europe, but are pretty much non existent here in the US. My own frame jigs would be useless for this task so yay-big fun ahead.

Having some history with rag-and-tube airplanes (Piper Cub/Champ/Taylorcraft) the truss type construction attracted me. I found pics on the net, enlarged them and used a protractor and ruler to obtain the angles, then used the 700c wheel diameter to scale the lengths. Real scientific, I know, but it actually worked out quite well. Seems the originals were made from 14mm tube, 9/16 from Aircraft Spruce was (2011) $7/ft but 5/8, commonly used for the above mentioned aircraft, was only $2/ft and I’m a tall guy so that is what I used for the first frame. 32 ft of .035 wall plus a pair of Columbus chainstays in all.

Due to the general weirdness of this design they were originally available in 6 or so different sizes and not being able to try any I had to make mine with the seat tube height adjustable. More fun. There will be a 1/16”wire cable from the rear dropout to the seat tube top when assembled which is not clear in any of the pics. This made “adjustable” even more fun.

So, pics below showing some of the process. These are a mix of 2 builds, the second for my wife, and is made from 1/2” material as it is smaller and I was still too cheap to buy the 14mm stuff. The astute observer may note that after the first frame I had a friend with a huge CNC add a channel along the bottom of the backplate for those 2 bars to slide in, less clamping and way easier. Apologies for the pic quality, many were on an old camera and I was always in a hurry.

I had a big piece of 5/8 aluminum tooling plate handy so off I went. Note that a lot of the bits involved with this jig are from other projects so many of the holes and other features are superfluous. And yes, I own a lot of clamps…

Establishing the HT angle WB, BB location and rake in one shot. Rod with point on end slides down to meet the scale below it.

Starting to look a bit like a bike. (well, to some people)

I got brave as time went on and mitered them in pairs. Mr Bridgeport was quite a help.

Head tube junction before cleanup, the small (8mm) cross tube is for the seat suspension strap. I have no idea how this was done on the originals, but good luck doing it with paper templates. The really steep/hard miters were done first.

These were easier, scribe a line and miter with a hole saw. The tubes were held in a C5 collet block which I left on for fitting. Err on the long side and whittle your way back if needed. Angles here were only about 3 degrees. The part on the bench is the steerer/fork crown.

A younger me wondering which joint to braze first. Individual tubes could be removed for fluxing as I went along. The jig can rotate as needed and (not shown here) I mounted it on a cheapo hydraulic lift table so I could raise and lower it as well.

The fork was built similarly and there are a couple of pics in another post. As odd as it is the bike rides very nicely with the hammock style saddle. Very upright and you can easily see (and be seen) around. More detail pics can be posted if there is interest.

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That BB cluster has to be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen! Thanks for sharing!

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Thanks! I occasionally do some “torch level” repairs for a couple of local bike shops. This is a Danish made frame that had both seat tubes rusted through near the bottom (the ones with the longer spigots) I replaced both tubes using sleeves over the remaining stubs. The owner had it powder coated, looks pretty nice that way. I left my personal frame raw as I was not sure I was done adding braze-ons but left it that way as it adds to the vintage look.

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This is amazing, I love the aestetic and the homeade frame jig is really interesting workaround for that style of frame

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Looks like a great project! As for how you get mitres like that with paper templates, I do them all the time for seat-stays :slight_smile: My template program (which I wrote myself) has an “offset” option. It can also do tapered head-tubes.

The code is linked here if anyone is interested:

The only mitre that I’ve really found basically impossible to do with paper templates is the top of unicrown fork legs. They’re all curved so you can’t wrap the paper around, and it’s often at an interesting angle. For those I made a fixture that can do them with a hole-saw (I don’t have a mill).

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If you need a quick test for paper templates on miters, I am hosting this one:

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Thanks for the link, and I will check it out this evening. And I apologize if my comment sounded a little snarky, I was mostly referring to the time involved. The small cross tube had me stumped at first, I ended up clamping them in the vise as a pair and -slowly- working my way through all 4 walls with a center cutting end mill.

It’s been a while since I built a unicrown fork, and my then (80s/90s) source was Nova Cycle Supply who had them with the top already cut to fit a 1”steerer. IIRC these came from Tange, there are still a few in my stash and modifying them to 1 1/8 with a file is pretty easy. That cut would be difficult even with a vertical mill unless you have a 90 degree head.

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Thanks, bookmarked. And the file size/diameter suggestions are helpful to those of us who are used to the guess-and-fake-it method. I have actually never used paper templates but had a thought re: use of a sharpie. Might it eliminate the chance of misalignment if instead of the sharpie the template is used as a paint mask for giving the tube a -light- shot of rattle can paint? You could use either side of the template once cut -file away the paint or file up to it depending on preference. I have used this method occasionally when making a complicated gasket.

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You could use both side of the paper BUT, in the webapp I am hosting, there is also a line marking the inside of a notch that helps with the bevel angle. You would lose that if you turn the paper.

When I used paper templates, I would tape them to the tube and leave them there, I would also mark it with a sharpie (or actually a paint marker) in case the template got lose while filing.

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I find a Sharpie is fine but, like everything, the whole process gets much easier with a bit of practice, and it’s hard to say exactly what you’re doing. On the first couple of builds I used to mess around with files and small adjustments but now I just go up to the Sharpie line, leaving a small whisker of if there, with an old flap disk in a grinder, and it fits perfectly right away.

As for how to handle the thickness of the tube, my program assumes your cut is perpendicular to the tube wall. For TIG this is pretty much what you want– a hole saw cut can leave you with a sort of inverted bevel and thus a very thin wall right where it’s touching the parent tube. It’s better to knock that back a bit anyway.

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