Carn Bikes frame #2 - the first proper one

That is a good historical insight. I have always wondered what would happen if the seat tube was the nominal diameter all the way down. Now I know!

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Finally got it back from the powder coaters this week and did the final build. Iā€™ve had a couple of short round-the-block rides which feature a small amount of mud and gravel but today was the day where I got to experience it properly off-road for the first time.

Todayā€™s ride was a few miles. The first half mostly flat or moderate climbing on firm and dry(ish) mud with a little gravel in places, undulating double and single track with some protruding rocks. The second half features a fast and fun rolling descent on grassy track with a few sharp, bumpy turns, and then a mile of road back home (into a headwind today).

Itā€™s certainly noodly, and more than I think I like, so it will be rebuilt at some point with larger diameter main tubes. But I donā€™t think itā€™s bad enough at this point to push it up to the top of my build queue :smiley: The most obvious flexing is when pedalling hard in the saddle, with the saddle moving noticeably side-to-side in opposition to the bars. Itā€™s unnerving but I donā€™t yet know how much effect it will have on control in technical conditions. Thereā€™s not so much obvious flex when out of the saddle - the back-end with the short stays and sensibly-sized tubes is really tight and responsive.

The geometry is new and will take me time to adjust to it. I remember when I went from my 2010s-era 26er to my Voodoo with 27.5 tyres and 67.5Ā° head angle - it felt really floppy and seemed like the wheel was miles out in front, but I got used to it fairly quickly. This bike is longer, lower and slacker. I can definitely feel the advantage on descents where it was really stable. Whether that length becomes prohibitive on rocky technical tracks remains to be seen.

The front end isnā€™t as light and floaty as I was expecting. Considering the chainstays are around 415mm, it feels about right - fun without being a handful. Same when climbing - it feels light but balanced rather than poppy. The RAD is about 20mm longer than Iā€™m used to so it doesnā€™t feel quite so agile, but some of that may be because the bars are too high - theyā€™re 40mm risers and the stem is slammed so Iā€™ve ordered some 20mm risers to see what effect that has (with a slightly longer stem to offset the RAD change). I also didnā€™t take account of the dropper setback in my designs so my saddle is about 10-15mm further back than designed. Iā€™d originally planned to replace the dropper with a longer one but I havenā€™t yet decided if Iā€™m going to splash out immediately.

The positive effect of all the flex, of course, (especially with 2.6" tyres and the thin-gauge spokes) is that the bike feels like a magic carpet ride over bumpy ground, so itā€™s not all bad. The 28lb overall weight and the light wheels made the hills and headwinds less challenging than Iā€™m used to - itā€™s been many years since Iā€™ve owned a properly light bike which wasnā€™t a rigid single speed! Itā€™s also the first time Iā€™ve ridden 4-pot brakes and I love the extra power and control they offer. And, most importantly, I love the colour (RAL 4007 ā€œPurple Violetā€) :smiley:

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Nice! It looks great. Very modern looking mtb. The silhouette and color look great.

That is a good data point. Now we all know.

Just for reference (if someone is browsing the thread) this was the tube spec posted earlier.

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A related data point: Iā€™m around 65kg, 1.84m tall, with an inside leg measurement of 84cm. These main tubes might be more suitable for a smaller and lighter rider.

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