Introduction Thread

Aloha,

My name is Greg(ory) “Keefer” Keefer (he/him/his). I reside in sunny Fort Collins Colorado, though it has taken some time to get back here. I spent the last 20 + years in Austin Texas where I raced, wrenched and welded to get my education/experience and leave behind 15 years of tech/office based work.

Off-road bicycles are my true passion. Which is why simple Single Speeds are so great, IMO, as they embody the powerful simplicity of human powered adventure.

My background is all over the map, so I’ll try to keep it short:

  • 2010 Bohemian Bicycles

  • 2012/18 Art Metals/Welding Technology AAS Degree

  • 2015 Yamaguchi Framebuilding School

  • 2018/19 Launched incognito cycles

  • 2020/21 Moved to Fort Collins Colorado/Interned with Black Sheep Bikes

I love riding trails, hills, climbing, drops, berms, jumps, twisty turny, basically anything loamy rocky, dirty.

Designing Tools
I started with BikeCAD, still use from time to time as it’s an awesome collaborative platform. When I arrived a Black Sheep I summoned my previous autoCAD experience as it transfers directly to the fixture that I built; the ones used by James and his crew.

Building frames/bicycles really helps me understand what works and what doesn’t while stoking my passion for getting out and exploring. I love learning and my aim is to make each bike better. Everything is Bespoked for incognito at present, as it allows me to work on the creative aspect and try new things. So I am constantly striving for the best I can do at that moment. I am my own worst critic. I love collaboration as I think it helps us learn and push limits of what we know and what we think we know.

This is the first Ti SS I built up for myself in Oct/Nov. The welds are rough, and the STA is a bit too aggressive. Though the set back post offers the breathing room I was aiming for in the cockpit. I do love the way this craft rides. I’ll have another one ready for testing in February.

Thanks to @Daniel_Y for starting this. Thanks to @anon91558591 for some critique in the past that really made me take a deeper look into my build process.

Mahalo,

///Keefer

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Hi all!

I’m Ted and am a somewhat recent transplant to Denver from Brooklyn. I probably dont (yet) belong here, but am really interested in learning and getting to know the community more.

I had the chance to take Koichi Yamaguchi’s framebuilding class earlier this year, and absolutely fell in love with the process (plan to post a full write-up of that experience but I’m still unable to post multiple pictures in one post). I’d love to continue building but a lack of space and time (infant and toddler at home…) have been limiting factors.

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Welcome Ted! Yamaguchi is pretty legendary in the American builder scene. I look forward to seeing your write-up.

Also, please don’t feel intimidated by this forum, it’s open to everyone. I haven’t even built a bike yet…

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Admin note: I bumped everyone’s “trust level” to member. You should be able to post without any limitations.

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Thanks @Ted ! I loved my time with Koichi. Such a quiet, gentle individual with so much knowledge. You are just down the street from me :upside_down_face:

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Hello, Paul here from Holland.
nice to see a frame building forum starting up.
I took the bicycle academy course in 2019 and found myself a workshop pretty fast after coming home from the course.
Messed up a few frame builds, and learned from it, And still messed up a couple of tubes and stays.
So far i build a few gravel frames, a clunker type frame, a road frame, a commuter for my boy, to go to school with.

In Holland bike riding is second nature. Growing up we didn’t have a car, so everything by bike, even our holidays.
As a kid I started to wrench on my kids bike, take the fenders off to make it look better etc. Making big forks, cut the fork legs from the crown and hammer them on another fork, to get a chopper style fork.
In my teens i started to ride a road race bike, never raced though.
In my twenties i did some bike packing, then some mtb.But ever really liked to go somewhere first to go riding. So I stayed at road riding.
Hope to learn from here ,and share what I know.

Exuse my dislectic writing. I need to figure out how to upload a picture

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Hi everyone! I’m Mike (he/him/his) originally from Massachusetts, transplanted to the Midwest, currently located in Ann Arbor MI.

My background is in mechanical engineering, cad design, and fabrication with a some experience in manual and CNC machining. My friends Tucker and Joey got me into frame building, and have been super generous supporting my projects and teaching me their processes. Hopefully they will join in at some point!

I enjoy building things in my garage, mostly car and bicycle related projects. I’m a big VW nerd, finally have managed reduce the car project load enough to get back to some bike frame building. Currently working on a gravelly type of bike frame.

I enjoy primarily enjoy riding in the woods with my wife, friends and my dog.

I’m excited to learn more about designing for different bike handling characteristics, and learning more about the business side of frame building. I don’t anticipate starting a frame building business, I just enjoy find small business fascinating.

Here are a couple pictures of my 26" wheel hard tail, built in 2011 with Tucker, broken downtube in 2013 maybe, repaired in 2017, still gets me around the woods alright for what it is.

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Welcome @Mikesbikester! What an amazing finish. I can’t tell if its a wooden bike or a rusty steel bike :rofl:

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I’m Alex (he/they), building frames under Rx Designs in southern NH. My favorite type of riding is anything in the woods with jumps. I decided to build my first bike back in 2019 when I read a pinkbike article by Steve Selter (smalltownboycustoms) and have been hooked since. I went to school for engineering and have a background in CAD, and 3D scanning. For me framebuilding is my break from the dry desk job, and the best way for me to scratch my itch to make something tangible with my time. Lately I’m most interested in 3D printed parts, titanium, and building more full suspension bikes. I don’t have many pictures of me actually riding so here’s my latest bike. Thanks Daniel for creating this forum!

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Welcome, Mike! I spent the first 22 years of my life in Ann Arbor - such a lovely place! Would love to stop by and say hi next time I’m visiting my family.

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I have one of you riding, well sort of.

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Great! I like Ann Arbor, its a cool town. We’ve been here a little over a year, will probably be here another 7-9 months before we move again. Definitely let me know when you’re in town, always down to get together and talk bikes and stuff!

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Welcome Alex!

I grew up in New Hampshire and really wish I had gotten more into mountain biking before I left to move to New York where it was almost impossible. Enjoy the ride up there! Love the color on that bike!

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Haha thanks! Glad you were around for the rescue

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Hello there!

I’m Jim Gourgoutis. AKA “Yo Jim G”. Live in San Francisco, CA. Started off hanging out on rec.bicycles.tech way back in the day. Was on internet-bob@bikelist.org for a long time, still am on the framebuilders list there. I was a web developer for a long time, and built a popular trail calculator and stem calculator that you might’ve used already. After following Alex and Alistair for a long time on Flickr, I figured out how to build cargo/rando racks. I attended UBI in Portland in 2015 and built a 650B low-trail rando bike, which I’ve ridden in several brevets and tours. In 2020 I left a long career in software, and became a machinist. I now fabricate parts for space rockets and satellites. I am slowly working on building my first solo frame, a long-chainstay 29er dirt-tourer for a friend. I have the drawing, the tubes, and the brazeons on hand – I need to work out a few more details before I start mitering the tubes. Thanks!

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@jimg Welcome! Nick @Neuhaus_Metalworks is located just north in Novato. We could use a machinist on call! Conversely, if you need help with building frames, feel free to reach out to us.

Cool. Didn’t realize you were in Novato - that’s really close! I’d love to help out with any bike-related machining problems, feel free to get in touch! Thanks!

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Hello @Alex ! Good to see you here! What is the CNC that you’re getting? What software will you program it with? Cheers, -Jim G

Hey guys, I’m Ryan and I run Strato Cycles in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I’ve been building for just over two years and have built 16 total frames to date. I learned to weld/machine when I was overseas fixing aircraft combat damage and actually built my first frame while deployed. Couldn’t bring it back with me though! I’m an engineer in the US Space Force and build in my free time.

I’ve been getting better at the trade and each bike is better than the last. I slowly have been acquiring equipment. Starting with a 3D FDM printer, then a G0704 mill. Moved up to a used Tormach 1100 last year as my first intro to metal CNC. Sold it and now I have a Syil X7 CNC mill in my garage and have been developing yokes, dropouts, and other parts for builders over the past few months. Hope to develop more products and releases throughout 2023. I’m always interested in the CAD/CAM processes and talking shop.

Happy to be here!

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We have always wondered what would happen if you fell in that hole…thanks to you, now we know!

My name is Nick Frost, and since learned how to build bikes frames from internet forums, I thought I’d share my autiodidactic approach to learning how to build bike frames. It’s been slow, difficult, wasteful, and expensive. I don’t recommend it. Aspirants to frame building should take a class instead. With that said, I read plenty of these same warnings before I started. My dad says, “you can tell Nick the stove is hot, but he’s still going to touch it and find out.”

I decided, with a sense of great urgency, that I was going to learn how to build a lugged frame in 2018. I am 6’9” (205cm) tall, and I was at the end of my twenties. I could feel that my body was getting to be too old to be riding small bikes, and the thought of scrimping and saving for one big, bland, custom all-road bike, or else going without riding, was simply unthinkable, so I began acquiring the tools and skills I’d need to make my own frame.

First, I spent months lurking on craigslist looking for oxy-acetylene tanks, and eventually found some huge, full tanks for fairly cheap, as well as a basic victor torch and regulator set to go with them. I bought some files, hacksaw blades, and some bronze, downloaded RattleCAD, and slowly learned how to miter and braze with scrap tubing from wrecked frames. It took me maybe three months before I had enough skill that I could justify buying silver, lugs, and tubes. If considering this route, I recommend buying fresh 4130 .049" DOM tubing, because getting the paint and oil off of wrecked frames sucks.

I spent some time brazing and cutting apart lugs, and then built a crooked fixed gear lugged frame and crooked fork to go with it. I had no fixture or reference surface, just a bench vise. I tried to use sting, true wheels, and I pinned the joints to get it as aligned as I could. It did not work well at all. I hadn’t yet learned how to keep my miters in phase and I lacked the skill to pull it off.

The front end alignment was comically bad, but I learned a lot and rode the bike for about a year before a crack developed in the top third of the downtube, probably due to the twist in the frame. After it broke, I quickly built the second one using an Alex Meade surface plate fixture I’d bought, and a piece of granite countertop I found on Craigslist for ten dollars. The alignment was much better, but I had used super light tubing, to see if I could, and I started denting the frame almost right away. I pressed the dents out with tube blocks and filled them with silver, but it eventually broke completely behind the top tube butt when I was bushwhacking and went OTB in an unseen ditch. I cut it apart for fillet brazing practice.

After that, I built myself one more lugged frame, this one with gears and disc brakes, and then I focused all my efforts on fillet brazing. Lugs are great, but I have only found one set of Llewellyn lugs that will work for someone my size. My goal was always to build a modern mountain bike. To do that, I needed the freedom of fillet brazing.

At this point, I was feeling good about myself and felt that I had been moving rather quickly along. I could braze a passable joint and make tight front-triangle miters with a file and templates, but as I tried, and failed to make the bikes that I wanted, I began to realize that success, as I was redefining it, was getting a lot harder to achieve and much more expensive. I had moved away from lugs and socketed dropouts so the frames I was trying to make were no longer self-fixturing. Making planar assembles was getting hard, and I was making a lot of mistakes. Along with being tall, I am also heavy and strong. I have always broken frames and components fairly regularly. I knew I had a small margin for error. I needed tight, accurate miters for the back end that I couldn’t do with bikeCAD templates and files. Also, the stay tubes I wanted did not exist.

I am the bread maker rather than the breadwinner of my house, so I was able to get a full-time job at the nearby azure bicycle tool company doing assembly, so I could get frame cutting tools cheaply and buy the other tools I needed as well. I’d been a bike mechanic and itinerant housepainter before this. I worked there for about two years and a built a complete professional bike shop in my basement. In that time, I also I bought a Cobra tube bender, 5/8”, and 7/8” dies, and a Hardinge horizontal mill with a Bridgeport M head on it. Slowly, I learned how to use these tools, while I bought more and more tools to go with them.

I still don’t have a proper frame fixture, but I have learned to work in sub-assemblies using a huge mill table, hold down set, and a sine bar and vernier protractor to set the angles of my Meade fixture. I have been reluctant to buy a fixture because the frames I am making are so long.

After grinding at it, and riding the simple singlespeeds I’d built, things finally came together for me this summer, when I finally swapped my mill’s motor, added a VFD, and wired my garage for 240v. I could finally run my horizontal mill, so bought a Farr miter fixture to use with it. The work paid off, and I soon after had the hardtail frame I’d wanted for so long.

I have ridden it hard, and built a second version with small improvements. I don’t intend to ever stop building, and may even sell one some day. I am lucky that because of my size and strength, the ends already justify the means and I feel no pressure to do so. I am currently working on an all-road bike.

Here is version one of my hard tail MTB. The wheels may look like 26, but are in fact 29. It is by far, the best bike I have ever ridden, which really isn’t saying much:

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