This is interesting shit now we were having a conversation! We should probably move it to a new thread. i’ll respond to your points. Someone I have a chance later.
I agree because I think it is important for every user here to understand the breadth of experience and goals we have here and that the way we interact with each other needs to be mindful of the needs and wants of each of us. Because some people may not understand that Walt (sorry to throw you under the bus here) gives feedback from an efficiency and business perspective. It may lead them to believe that what he says is right for them. It’s the right way for HIM, but that shouldn’t be applied across the board. Unfortunately, some people feel that they can waltz into whatever thread and give their unsolicited advice of what’s “Right” of “Wrong” without any consideration for whether it’s helpful in the context of the other persons goals.
I don’t know what to call this proposed thread, but “Feedback Guidelines” could be a good title.
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@Spencermon I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said there and I doubt Andy would either. My point is that I don’t think he was being offensive or disrespectful or any of those accusations that were thrown at him. The paint job was described as being childish. And it was. No one said the OP is childish and I can’t see any insulting behaviour. It was used as an adjective to describe the paint job. It was also said in the context of supporting his choice to change it. The reaction and personal attack that followed was way out of line. No one deserves to be attacked like that. It was totally unacceptable. OP wasn’t calling out bad behaviour, he was being a dick.
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You’ve heard of the quote “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” right? Same thing goes here. You don’t get to choose whether you or he was offensive. The person who the words were directed at chooses that. And the response from someone who is told that what they said was mean or offensive SHOULD be “I’m sorry I offended you. I should choose my words more carefully or keep my thoughts to myself.”
There is a strong reaction for sure, but have you ever been the recipient of bullying behavior? I have. It sucks and this whole interaction makes me feel exactly like I did in middle school. I have a strong reaction to behavior that mimics my middle school (and high school) bullies. And the response from people is always “don’t let it get to you” but not an effort to tell the people bullying to stop and reflect on their own behavior.
I can’t speak for @SoyWater , but from his responses, it sounds like receiving unsolicited criticism of his work is something that has happened to him often. Maybe instead of arguing all the ways that he shouldn’t be offended or mean we just listen to him? Maybe instead of thinking that nothing that was said should be offensive we should stop and reflect before blaming someone else for their reactions to our words?
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I thought personal attacks were out? Again, I guess it’s ok when you do it. Becuase you feel justified…hey, wait a minute 
Absolutely was, and again. Becuase I guess some people aren’t hearing it despite saying it a shitload of times now. That was absolutely it, and I told him, “just gotta get an insult in, huh?” I left that door wide open for him to simply say what several people agree he should have said, something like “I didn’t mean it that way” or whatever, instead he chose to dig his heels in and go for the 1-2 combo of then apologizing that I took it wrong. That was when I knew it wasn’t some innocent, passing comment but that it was an intentional slight, followed up with an absolutely classic bit of shifting the blame onto me.
And you don’t get it, and that’s fine, I guess we can’t be friends or whatever, and I’m all broken up about that, but you certainly do not get to tell me how to feel about anything. I’m very pleased for you that you’re such a well adjusted individual that shit like that can roll off your back, congratulations. I’m not.
And again, that’s your opinion. You don’t like mine, I don’t like yours. 
but just because you don’t get it, doesnt mean I’m wrong. Because from this side of the fence, you’re way out of line. Again, it’s a matter of perspective and I couldn’t care less if you don’t share mine but you don’t get to be an jerk in expressing that, just because.
If I could heart this 100 times, I would. I appreciate your thoughts, thank you for taking the time to share that.
If you’ll all excuse me, I need to go re-paint a frame, again. Turns out the metallic silver looks cheap and childish 
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I’m really sorry for the double post, but I just had to tell you that I haven’t laughed at anything this hard in weeks. Cross my heart, I’ve been chuckling about this for the past few hours. The boys in the group chat think you’re hilarious. I changed my mind, I wanna be your friend. You’re funny as hell 
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@SoyWater please share the next paint when you get r done.
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I’m glad you got the joke.
I’m pretty dense but I got it after a few minutes. “Hope you get the help you need” who talks like that? The only way I could have enjoyed that more was if I thought you meant it. You win the internet for today, thanks for the chuckle. 
Hey all—jumping in as a mod.
Let’s keep this thread focused on what it started as: a fun, creative build log. Some recent comments crossed the line tone-wise. Whether it’s feedback or frustration, let’s keep things respectful and avoid personal digs.
This place works best when we assume good intent and keep it about the bikes. Appreciate everyone who’s contributed so far—let’s get back to it.
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Oh shit, the cops are here 
It’s all good, we’re gonna go to Roscoe’s, I’m gonna buy everybody chicken and waffles then we’re all going back to Trent’s to play video hockey.
Anyway, here’s wonderwall.
That’s a sticker in the shape of New Mexico, with a roadrunner on it and it says “dont move here” and its perfect for a resort town.
Because this one goes to 11. Its like 10, but louder.
Brooks was here
Its actually smaller than the wife’s medium Tallboi
That connection link is 1/2" x 1.5" hot rolled steel because nothing exceeds like excess.
I’m 6’6" with a 36" inseam and about +3 ape index and i love that i can basically ride it standing fully upright, on a longer bike or one with a shorter stack, i end up slightly bent at the waist and after a while, my back hurts like hell. Every time i make something shorter in reach and higher in stack, i like it more.
Just around the neighborhood it’s got an interesting combination of big bike sluggish-ness and bmx instability, im definitely “on” it, not “in” it. It manuals really easily, I can’t manual that tall boy to save my life but this thing will manual into bunny hops. I’m intrigued.
Bike park/camping next week.
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Forgot, I got a half shuttle and then hiked up to 6600’
Local trail, couple miles, 1500ish feet of elevation change if memory serves. So far, I like it. Doesn’t feel like it gives anything up in the steep stuff and its so much easier to maneuver through tight stuff. I remember this wheel combo gathering speed quicker than I expected and that’s still a thing, it moves. Other than the accidental cholla cactus punch, it was a pretty good test.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
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Last one and I’ll leave you alone until I get some laps in.
I don’t usually get to see pictures of myself riding stuff I made, but this is kinda cool. First, I forget how damn tall I actually am sometimes. Damn. Second, I’ve spent a couple months looking at this thing in the jig, or from floor level. Seeing it being ridden is a whole different thing. I think it looks cool just sitting on the floor, it looks fuckin awesome being ridden, i think its got a cool shape. It also looks like it was made for me, so thats something.
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